1965 NFL Draft

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1965 NFL Draft
General information
Date(s)November 28, 1964
Time9:00 am EST[1]
LocationSummit Hotel
in New York City
Overview
280 total selections in 20 rounds
LeagueNFL
First selectionTucker Frederickson, RB
New York Giants
Mr. IrrelevantGeorge Haffner, QB
Baltimore Colts
Most selections (25)Green Bay Packers
Fewest selections (14)Washington Redskins
Hall of Famers5
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The 1965 National Football League draft was held at the Summit Hotel in New York City on Saturday, November 28, 1964.[2][3][4] The first player selected was Tucker Frederickson, back from Auburn, by the New York Giants.[5]

The draft was marked by the failure of the St. Louis Cardinals to sign quarterback Joe Namath of Alabama, who went with the New York Jets of the American Football League.[2] The AFL draft was held the same day.

Player selections[]

= Pro Bowl[6] = AFL All-Star[7] = Hall of Famer

Round one[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
1 New York Giants Tucker Frederickson Back Auburn
2 San Francisco 49ers Ken Willard Fullback North Carolina
3 Chicago Bears (Pick acquired from the Pittsburgh Steelers) Dick Butkus Linebacker Illinois
4 Chicago Bears Gale Sayers Halfback Kansas
5 Dallas Cowboys Craig Morton Quarterback California
6 Chicago Bears (Pick acquired from the Washington Redskins) Steve DeLong[8] Tackle Tennessee
7 Green Bay Packers (Pick acquired from the Philadelphia Eagles) Donny Anderson Halfback Texas Tech
8 Minnesota Vikings Jack Snow Wide receiver Notre Dame
9 Los Angeles Rams Clancy Williams Cornerback Washington State
10 Green Bay Packers Larry Elkins Wide receiver Baylor
11 Detroit Lions Tom Nowatzke Running back Indiana
12 St. Louis Cardinals Joe Namath[9] Quarterback Alabama
13 San Francisco 49ers (Pick acquired from the Cleveland Browns) George Donnelly Back Illinois
14 Baltimore Colts Mike Curtis Linebacker Duke

Round two[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
15 Minnesota Vikings Archie Sutton Tackle Illinois
16 San Francisco 49ers Joe Cerne Center Northwestern
17 Cleveland Browns Jim Garcia Tackle Purdue
18 Pittsburgh Steelers Roy Jefferson Wide receiver Utah
19 Dallas Cowboys Malcolm Walker Linebacker Rice
20 Philadelphia Eagles Ray Rissmiller Tackle Georgia
21 Washington Redskins Bob Breitenstein Tackle Tulsa
22 Cleveland Browns Gerry Bussell Running back Georgia Tech
23 Minnesota Vikings Lance Rentzel Wide receiver Oklahoma
24 Green Bay Packers Alphonse Dotson Tackle Grambling
25 Detroit Lions Jerry Rush Tackle Michigan State
26 St. Louis Cardinals Dave Simmons Linebacker Georgia Tech
27 Cleveland Browns Walter Johnson Defensive tackle Cal State-Los Angeles
28 Baltimore Colts Ralph Neely Tackle Oklahoma

Round three[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
29 San Francisco 49ers Bob Schweickert Back Virginia Tech
30 San Francisco 49ers Jim Norton Tackle Washington
31 New York Giants Chuck Mercein Running back Yale
32 Cleveland Browns Bo Scott Running back Ohio State
33 New York Giants Bob Timberlake Quarterback Michigan
34 Washington Redskins Kent McCloughan Back Nebraska
35 Philadelphia Eagles Al Nelson Running back Cincinnati
36 Baltimore Colts Glenn Ressler Center Penn State
37 Los Angeles Rams Fred Brown End Miami (FL)
38 Green Bay Packers Allen Brown End Mississippi
39 Detroit Lions Fred Biletnikoff[10] Wide receiver Florida State
40 St. Louis Cardinals Ray Ogden End Alabama
41 Cleveland Browns Bobby Maples Linebacker Baylor
42 San Francisco 49ers Jack Chapple Linebacker Stanford

Round four[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
43 New York Giants Henry Carr Running back Arizona State
44 San Francisco 49ers Larry Todd Wide receiver Arizona State
45 Chicago Bears Jim Nance[11] Fullback Syracuse
46 Detroit Lions Tommy Myers Quarterback Northwestern
47 Dallas Cowboys Jimmy Sidle Running back Auburn
48 Baltimore Colts Fred Hill Wide receiver USC
49 Baltimore Colts Marty Schottenheimer[12] Linebacker Pittsburgh
50 Los Angeles Rams Mike Strofolino Linebacker Villanova
51 Minnesota Vikings Jim Whalen End Boston College
52 Green Bay Packers Wally Mahle Back Syracuse
53 Dallas Cowboys Bob Svihus[13] Tackle USC
54 St. Louis Cardinals Johnny Roland Running back Missouri
55 Minnesota Vikings Jim Harris Tackle Utah State
56 Baltimore Colts Dave Johnson Wide receiver San Jose State

Round five[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
57 Detroit Lions Tommy Vaughn Back Iowa State
58 San Francisco 49ers Dave McCormick Tackle Louisiana State
59 Green Bay Packers Jim Harvey Tackle Mississippi
60 Los Angeles Rams Frank Marchlewski Center Minnesota
61 Dallas Cowboys Roger Pettee Linebacker Florida
62 New York Giants Frank Lambert End Mississippi
63 Philadelphia Eagles John Henderson End Michigan
64 Detroit Lions Ed Flanagan Center Purdue
65 Los Angeles Rams Doug Woodlief End Memphis State
66 Green Bay Packers Doug Goodwin Running back Maryland-Eastern Shore
67 Detroit Lions John Flynn End Oklahoma
68 St. Louis Cardinals Bobby Bonds Running back San Jose State
69 Cleveland Browns Bill Irwin Tackle Mississippi
70 Baltimore Colts John McGuire Wide receiver Syracuse

Round six[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
71 Baltimore Colts Bobby Felts Running back Florida A&M
72 Cleveland Browns Arnie Simkus Tackle Michigan
73 Chicago Bears Tony Carey Running back Notre Dame
74 Green Bay Packers Richard Koeper Tackle Oregon State
75 Dallas Cowboys Sonny Utz Running back Virginia Tech
76 Philadelphia Eagles John Huarte[14][15] Quarterback Notre Dame
77 Philadelphia Eagles Gary Garrison Wide receiver San Diego State
78 Los Angeles Rams Bill Harrison End Elon
79 Minnesota Vikings Jim Grisham Back Oklahoma
80 Green Bay Packers Bill Symons Running back Colorado
81 Detroit Lions Earl Hawkins Back Emory & Henry
82 St. Louis Cardinals Glen Ray Hines Tackle Arkansas
83 Cleveland Browns Corwyn Aldredge Wide receiver Northwestern State (LA)
84 Baltimore Colts Al Atkinson Tackle Villanova

Round seven[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
85 Green Bay Packers Jerry Roberts Back Baldwin–Wallace
86 Green Bay Packers Roger Jacobazzi Tackle Wisconsin
87 Pittsburgh Steelers Charley Browning Back Washington
88 Chicago Bears Dick Gordon Running back Michigan State
89 Dallas Cowboys Brig Owens Quarterback Cincinnati
90 Chicago Bears Mickey Sutton Back Auburn
91 Philadelphia Eagles Erwin Will Tackle Dayton
92 Detroit Lions Greg Kent Tackle Utah
93 Los Angeles Rams Tony Guillory Guard Lamar
94 Green Bay Packers Junior Coffey Running back Washington
95 Detroit Lions Bob Kowalkowski Guard Virginia
96 St. Louis Cardinals Frank Roy End Utah
97 Cleveland Browns Dale Lindsey Linebacker Western Kentucky
98 Baltimore Colts John Kolocek Tackle Corpus Christi State

Round eight[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
99 New York Giants Willie Williams Back Grambling
100 Minnesota Vikings John Hankinson Quarterback Minnesota
101 Chicago Bears Brian Schweda Tackle Kansas
102 Pittsburgh Steelers Bill Howley End Pittsburgh
103 Dallas Cowboys Russell Wayt Linebacker Rice
104 Philadelphia Eagles Al Piraino Tackle Wisconsin
105 Washington Redskins Don Croftcheck Guard Indiana
106 Los Angeles Rams Stan Dzura Tackle California
107 Minnesota Vikings Jeff Jordon Back Tulsa
108 Green Bay Packers Mike Shinn End Kansas
109 Detroit Lions Larry Harbin Back Appalachian State
110 St. Louis Cardinals John Meyer Linebacker Notre Dame
111 Cleveland Browns Mike Howell Defensive back Grambling
112 Baltimore Colts Roosevelt Davis Tackle Tennessee State

Round nine[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
113 New York Giants John Frick End Ohio
114 San Francisco 49ers Wayne Swinford Running back Georgia
115 Pittsburgh Steelers Tom Neville Tackle Mississippi State
116 Chicago Bears Ken Ambrusko Back Maryland
117 Dallas Cowboys Jim Zanios Running back Texas Tech
118 Washington Redskins Jerry Smith Tight end Arizona State
119 Philadelphia Eagles Floyd Hudlow Back Arizona
120 Minnesota Vikings Frank McClendon Tackle Alabama
121 Los Angeles Rams Ronnie Caveness Linebacker Arkansas
122 Green Bay Packers Larry Bulaich Back Texas Christian
123 Detroit Lions Bruce McLenna Back Hillsdale
124 St. Louis Cardinals Jimmy Heidel Back Mississippi
125 Cleveland Browns Gary Lane Quarterback Missouri
126 Baltimore Colts Tom Bleick Back Georgia Tech

Round ten[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
127 New York Giants Ben Crenshaw Back Jackson State
128 San Francisco 49ers Bob Cappadona Running back Northeastern
129 Chicago Bears Dennis Murphy Tackle Florida
130 Pittsburgh Steelers Dave Tobey Center Oregon
131 Dallas Cowboys Gaylon McCullough Center Alabama
132 Philadelphia Eagles Rick Redman Center Washington
133 Washington Redskins Bob Briggs Running back Central State (OK)
134 Los Angeles Rams Jim Burt Running back Western Kentucky
135 Minnesota Vikings Jerald Schweiger Tackle Wisconsin–Superior
136 Green Bay Packers Bud Marshall Tackle Stephen F. Austin
137 Detroit Lions Frank Pennie Tackle Florida
138 St. Louis Cardinals Chuck Drulis End Duke
139 Cleveland Browns Pat Screen Quarterback Louisiana State
140 Baltimore Colts George Harold Back Allen

Round eleven[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
141 New York Giants Ernie Koy Running back Texas
142 San Francisco 49ers Steve Mass Tackle Detroit
143 Pittsburgh Steelers Frank Molden Tackle Jackson State
144 Chicago Bears Frank Cornish Tackle Grambling
145 Dallas Cowboys Jethro Pugh Tackle Elizabeth City State
146 Washington Redskins Willie Adams Guard New Mexico State
147 Philadelphia Eagles Louis James Running back Texas-El Paso
148 Minnesota Vikings John Thomas End USC
149 Los Angeles Rams Merlin Walet Running back McNeese State
150 Green Bay Packers Jim Weatherwax Tackle Cal State-Los Angeles
151 Detroit Lions Jim Kearne Back Prairie View A&M
152 St. Louis Cardinals Bud French Back Alabama
153 Cleveland Browns Olie Cordill Back Memphis State
154 Baltimore Colts Lamar Richardson Wide receiver Fisk

Round twelve[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
155 New York Giants Jim Carroll Linebacker Notre Dame
156 San Francisco 49ers Dave Plump Running back Fresno State
157 Chicago Bears Steve Cox Tackle South Carolina
158 Pittsburgh Steelers Craig Lofquist Back Minnesota
159 Dallas Cowboys Ernie Kellerman Quarterback Miami (OH)
160 Washington Redskins John Strohmeyer Tackle Nebraska
161 Philadelphia Eagles John Kuznieski Running back Purdue
162 Los Angeles Rams Bob Werl End Miami (FL)
163 Minnesota Vikings Mike Tilleman Tackle Montana
164 Green Bay Packers Gene Jeter Running back Arkansas-Pine Bluff
165 Detroit Lions Jim Moore Linebacker North Texas State
166 St. Louis Cardinals Glen Sasser End North Carolina State
167 Cleveland Browns Justin Canale Guard Mississippi State
168 Baltimore Colts Ted Rodosovich Guard Cincinnati

Round thirteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
169 New York Giants Carl Lockhart Defensive back North Texas State
170 San Francisco 49ers Gregg Schumacher End Illinois
171 Pittsburgh Steelers J.R. Wilburn Back South Carolina
172 Chicago Bears Dave Daniels Tackle Florida A&M
173 Dallas Cowboys Jack Schraub End California
174 Washington Redskins Biff Bracy Running back Duke
175 Philadelphia Eagles John Fouse End Arizona
176 Minnesota Vikings Dave Osborn Back North Dakota
177 Los Angeles Rams Brent Berry Tackle San Jose State
178 Green Bay Packers Roy Schmidt Guard Long Beach State
179 Detroit Lions Jack Jacobson Back Oklahoma State
180 St. Louis Cardinals Steve Murphy Running back Northwestern
181 Cleveland Browns Henry Pickett Running back Baylor
182 Baltimore Colts Bruce Airheart Running back North Dakota State

Round fourteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
183 New York Giants Olin Underwood End Texas
184 San Francisco 49ers Frank Andruski Running back Utah
185 Chicago Bears Dave Pivec Wide receiver Notre Dame
186 Pittsburgh Steelers Jim (Cannonball) Butler Back Edward Waters
187 Dallas Cowboys Garry Porterfield Wide receiver Tulsa
188 Philadelphia Eagles Tom Longo Back Notre Dame
189 Washington Redskins Dave Estrada Running back Arizona State
190 Los Angeles Rams Bill Robertson End Austin
191 Minnesota Vikings Max Leetzow End Idaho
192 Green Bay Packers John Putnam Running back Drake
193 Detroit Lions Larry Brown Back Oklahoma
194 St. Louis Cardinals Mike Alford Center Auburn
195 Cleveland Browns Dan Simrell Quarterback Toledo
196 Baltimore Colts Jerry Fishman Linebacker Maryland

Round fifteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
197 New York Giants Mike Giers Guard USC
198 San Francisco 49ers Joe Pabian Tackle West Virginia
199 Pittsburgh Steelers Tackle Texas Tech
200 Chicago Bears Art Robinson Back Cal State-Los Angeles
201 Dallas Cowboys Gene Foster Back Arizona State
202 Washington Redskins Ben Baldwin Back Vanderbilt
203 Philadelphia Eagles Otis Taylor[16] Wide receiver Prairie View A&M
204 Minnesota Vikings Phillip Morgan Back East Tennessee State
205 Los Angeles Rams Marvin Davis End Wichita State
206 Green Bay Packers Chuck Hurston Tackle Auburn
207 Detroit Lions Wallace Dickey End Southwest Texas State
208 St. Louis Cardinals Harlan Lane Back Baylor
209 Cleveland Browns Larry Gagner Tackle Florida
210 Baltimore Colts Roy Hilton Running back Jackson State

Round sixteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
211 New York Giants Tom Good Back Marshall
212 San Francisco 49ers Dave Hettema Tackle New Mexico
213 Chicago Bears Frank Pitts Wide receiver Southern
214 Pittsburgh Steelers Doug Dusenbury Kicker Kansas State
215 Dallas Cowboys Doug McDougal End Oregon State
216 Philadelphia Eagles Jim Gray Back Toledo
217 Washington Redskins Bob Reed Guard Tennessee A&I
218 Los Angeles Rams Charlie Brown Tackle Tulsa
219 Minnesota Vikings Paul Labinski Tackle St. John's (MN)
220 Green Bay Packers Phil Vandersea Running back Massachusetts
221 Detroit Lions John Smith Tackle Maryland-Eastern Shore
222 St. Louis Cardinals Carl Silvestri Back Wisconsin
223 Cleveland Browns Mel Anthony Running back Michigan
224 Baltimore Colts Steve Tensi Quarterback Florida State

Round seventeen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
225 New York Giants Dave Powless Guard Illinois
226 San Francisco 49ers Len Frketich End Oregon State
227 Pittsburgh Steelers Whit Canale Running back Tennessee
228 Chicago Bears Tom LaFramboise Quarterback Louisville
229 Dallas Cowboys Mitch Johnson Tackle UCLA
230 Washington Redskins Gary Hart End Vanderbilt
231 Philadelphia Eagles Dave Austin End Georgia Tech
232 Minnesota Vikings Veran Smith Back Utah State
233 Los Angeles Rams Ed Blecksmith Back USC
234 Green Bay Packers Steve Clark Kicker Oregon State
235 Detroit Lions Sonny Odom Running back Duke
236 St. Louis Cardinals Mike Melinkovich Tackle Gray's Harbor J.C.
237 Cleveland Browns John Boyette Tackle Clemson
238 Baltimore Colts Rick Reichardt Running back Wisconsin

Round eighteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
239 New York Giants Mike Ciccolella Linebacker Dayton
240 San Francisco 49ers Leon Standridge End San Diego State
241 Chicago Bears Mike Schwager Tackle Northwestern
242 Pittsburgh Steelers Bob Howard Back Stanford
243 Dallas Cowboys Marty Amsler Tackle Evansville
244 Philadelphia Eagles Bill Marcordes End Bradley
245 Washington Redskins Chris Hanburger Linebacker North Carolina
246 Los Angeles Rams Leo Lowery Running back Texas Tech
247 Minnesota Vikings Rich Kotite End Wagner
248 Green Bay Packers Jeff White End Texas Tech
249 Detroit Lions Karl Sweetan Quarterback Wake Forest
250 St. Louis Cardinals Ed McQuarters Guard Oklahoma
251 Cleveland Browns Dick Arrington Guard Notre Dame
252 Baltimore Colts Charley King Running back Purdue

Round nineteen[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
253 New York Giants Smith Reed Back Alcorn State
254 San Francisco 49ers Dale Ford Running back Washington State
255 Pittsburgh Steelers Lonnie Price Back Southwestern Louisiana
256 Chicago Bears Lou Bobich Kicker Michigan State
257 Dallas Cowboys Merv Rettenmund Running back Ball State
258 Washington Redskins Roosevelt Ellerbe Back Iowa State
259 Philadelphia Eagles Charley Englehart Tackle John Carroll
260 Minnesota Vikings Ellis Johnson Running back Southeastern Louisiana
261 Los Angeles Rams Billy Guy Anderson Quarterback Tulsa
262 Green Bay Packers Len Sears Tackle South Carolina
263 Detroit Lions Preston Love Back Nebraska
264 St. Louis Cardinals Roy Shivers Running back Utah State
265 Cleveland Browns Ed Orazen Guard Ohio State
266 Baltimore Colts Barry Brown End Florida

Round twenty[]

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
267 New York Giants John Torok Quarterback Arizona State
268 San Francisco 49ers Dennis Duncan Back Louisiana College
269 Chicago Bears Ralph Kurek Running back Wisconsin
270 Pittsburgh Steelers Craig Fertig Quarterback USC
271 Dallas Cowboys Don Barlow Tackle Kansas State
272 Philadelphia Eagles Bobby Shann End Boston College
273 Baltimore Colts Ray Johnson Center Prairie View A&M
274 Los Angeles Rams Billy Scott End Northeast Oklahoma
275 Minnesota Vikings Cosmo Iacavazzi Back Princeton
276 Green Bay Packers Jim Chandler Running back Benedict
277 Detroit Lions George Wilson Quarterback Xavier
278 St. Louis Cardinals Tony Giacobazzi End Iowa
279 Cleveland Browns Frank Goldberg Linebacker Central Michigan
280 [17] Baltimore Colts George Haffner Quarterback McNeese State
= Pro Bowler [6] = AFL All-Star [7] = Hall of Famer

Hall of Famers[]

Five members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame were taken in the 1965 NFL draft:

  • Gale Sayers, halfback from University of Kansas taken 1st round 4th overall by the Chicago Bears.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame class of 1977.[18]
  • Dick Butkus, linebacker from University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign taken 1st round 3rd overall by the Chicago Bears.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame class of 1979.[18]
  • Joe Namath, quarterback from Alabama taken 1st round 12th overall by the St. Louis Cardinals but signed with the New York Jets.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame class of 1985.[19]
  • Fred Biletnikoff, wide receiver from Florida State taken 3rd round 39th overall by the Detroit Lions but signed with the Oakland Raiders.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame class of 1988.[19]
  • Chris Hanburger, linebacker from the University of North Carolina taken in the 18th round, 245th overall by the Washington Redskins.
Inducted: Professional Football Hall of Fame class of 2011.

Notable undrafted players[]

† = Pro Bowler[6]
Original NFL team Player Pos. College Conf. Notes
Chicago Bears Brian Piccolo  RB Wake Forest ACC
Chicago Bears Ron Smith † CB Wisconsin Big Ten
Dallas Cowboys Obert Logan  S Trinity Southland
Dallas Cowboys Dan Reeves  S South Carolina ACC
Dallas Cowboys Bill Sandeman  OT Pacific Ind. (Univ.)
Dallas Cowboys A.D. Whitfield  RB North Texas MVC
Minnesota Vikings Earsell Mackbee  CB Utah State Ind. (Univ.)
Minnesota Vikings Lonnie Warwick  LB Tennessee Tech OVC
Philadelphia Eagles Jim Nettles † CB Wisconsin Big Ten
Philadelphia Eagles Harold Wells  LB Purdue Big Ten
Pittsburgh Steelers Charles Leigh  RB    
Pittsburgh Steelers Jerry Simmons  WR Bethune–Cookman SIAC
Washington Redskins Rickie Harris  CB Arizona WAC

See also[]

  • 1965 American Football League Draft

References[]

  1. ^ "NFL draft nudges forward slowly". Milwaukee Journal. wire services. November 29, 1964. p. 1, sports.
  2. ^ a b Hand, Jack (November 29, 1964). "NFL gets early signees". Spokesman-Review. Spokane, Washington. Associated Press. p. 2, sports.
  3. ^ "NFL Draft Locations". www.footballgeography.com. October 2, 2014. Archived from the original on 2015-09-05. Retrieved October 23, 2014.
  4. ^ Salomone, Dan (October 2, 2014). "NFL Draft headed to Chicago in 2015". Giants.com. New York Giants. Archived from the original on 2015-09-30. Retrieved June 3, 2015.
  5. ^ "No. 1 picks". Spokane Daily Chronicle. Associated Press. November 28, 1964. p. 8.
  6. ^ a b c Players are identified as a Pro Bowler if they were selected for the Pro-Bowl at any time in their career.
  7. ^ a b Players are identified as an All-Star if they were selected for the All-Star team at any time in their career.
  8. ^ Steve DeLong signed with the San Diego Chargers of the American Football League.
  9. ^ Joe Namath signed with the New York Jets of the American Football League.
  10. ^ Fred Biletnikoff signed with the Oakland Raiders of the American Football League
  11. ^ Jim Nance signed with the Boston Patriots of the American Football League.
  12. ^ Marty Schottenheimer signed with the Buffalo Bills of the American Football League.
  13. ^ Bob Svihus signed with the Oakland Raiders of the American Football League.
  14. ^ John Huarte, 1964 Heisman Trophy winner "Heisman Trophy". Archived from the original on 2013-10-05. Retrieved August 14, 2013.
  15. ^ John Huarte signed with the Boston Patriots of the American Football League.
  16. ^ Otis Taylor signed with the Kansas City Chiefs of the American Football League.
  17. ^ This last selection is commonly referred to as Mr. Irrelevant.
  18. ^ a b List of 1970s Hall of Fame Inductee's at profootballhof.com "Pro Football Hall of Fame". Archived from the original on 2008-07-31. Retrieved 2008-10-07.
  19. ^ a b List of 1980s Hall of Fame Inductee's at profootballhof.com "Pro Football Hall of Fame". Archived from the original on 2008-07-31. Retrieved 2008-10-07.

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